Now... I'm kind of upset at myself for doing this. Though I didn't explicitly "promise" back when I was making my big spill about not talking about the subject anymore, it had been my intention. And I've been doing a really good job I think, at the very least, not even mentioning her fucking name or commenting on any of the stupid shit I've been seeing related to the subject of her activities. I don't need any more shit dumped on me thanks to her and the fact that we don't get along. I just wanted to stay the fuck out of it, so that was my unspoken promise, to leave it alone... and I really HATE breaking promises. But fuck it. You people are crazy and you obviously need to get slapped in the face a few times, so if I have to take a few punches to try getting that point across then so fucking be it. Consider my offer nullified because I am officially pissed and I have no good excuse to just let it go.
So we're gonna talk about Elaine.
We'll get to why later... but first, a little backstory. See, I don't want you guys to misunderstand. I don't want you to think I hate this bitch for no reason. Okay? Fact of the matter is, I happened to really LIKE Elaine when I first encountered her. Hell, she was one of the first people to comment on my blog. Kinda made me feel special. And hey, what a nice girl she was! Sure, had a few skeleton's in the closet, but so do most people in this mess, so who am I to really judge? I mean look at her! She's working so hard to help people. She's found a way to keep people safe from the Construct. Look at all the people she's protecting. Isn't she just great? An outstanding member of the runner community? I honest and truly had a great deal of respect for her, just like the rest of you did... and some of you, inexplicably, still do.
Hell, I've never even intentionally attacked her. Our first "conflict" was over a freaking miscommunication, which even after I corrected she still insisted upon blowing out of proportion. Since then, we apparently just had a few differences in opinion and she decided to take it reeeeeeeally freaking personally. Like how my offhand comment here, which in retrospect may not have been in the best of tastes, but I was just trying to make a referential point, ended in her sicking her fucking dogs on me. And I felt bad about that, especially during the time I was recovering from my illness and hadn't quite yet gotten around to learning what happened while I was out. Because I didn't want to upset Elaine... I liked Elaine! I was trying my damnedest to pussyfoot around all of these sensitive issues of hers so I could get back on her good side and then...
...Suddenly all of it was justified...
I felt betrayed. Like all of you fucking should have. The bitch had been selling everyone out from the start. Hope was a sham. It was destined to burn. Yet so many of you still supported her after that. What madness is this?? Stop for one second and THINK. For all the people she "saved," for all the people Hope "sheltered," what happy endings did they get? Nearly everyone who's set foot in that place has died. Many occurring the very same week Hope burned. And how did Elaine choose to take responsibility for her actions? She tried to fucking kill herself. To abandon her burden and everything else rather than live with it. What a fucking coward.
And to make things even more fun, she's still ruining lives even without the empty facade of Hope. Went to visit Spencer and crew? And what do you know, The House turned into a month long nightmare, like the House of Leaves on fucking steroids, the worst of it conveniently waiting to come until AFTER she had run away from it, leaving her "friends" to their fate, giving nothing in return but her broken record "I'm so sorry"s on every post the Couriers managed to make.
And then, as if one of her comments to Ember(or Salome I suppose, in this case) wasn't clue enough that they were still bestest buddies, she recently posted outright that she's still hanging with David! Really?? The same David you were selling everyone out to? That you brokered your bullshit deal for Hope with? That David? The David I've heard so much about lately? The one that fucked up Ember a mere week before your happy little pre-holiday get together? And you're just chilling with him like it's totally cool? AND EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH THIS?!?!?
And now, noooow, the coup de grace, David, oh David,
So now that I've got a real stake in this, tell you what? Our mutual dislike of each other can step up to the next level. You. Are. My. ENEMY. You fucking PROXY Bitch. You are the Anti-Spiral. Giving everyone you meet false hopes, only so that you can whip them away at the last moment and leave them with Ultimate Despair. I don't care how many "friends" you still have or how many people come after me for railing against you. I am going to hammer away at every stupid fucking thing you do from now on until everyone fucking knows without a shadow of a doubt that you are the most evil person alive.
To Benjamin, I don't know what kind of protections you think you have, but trust me, the moment that bitch leaves, death will come knocking on your door. You'd do well to kill the bitch now. Do yourself and everyone else a huge favor. But mark my words as a damn near guarantee, as soon as she's gone, hell is coming for you, so I hope you're fucking prepared for it.
To Elliot, I don't know how you got to be so fucking genre-blind after everything you've been through, but if you have any ounce of sense left in you at all, you will grab Em, find Richard, and get as far the fuck away from Elaine as humanly possible. She is only going to get you Killed. She didn't rescue you or anyone else from that forest. Your captors knew exactly where she was taking you all. They followed you there. They followed you to The House. They're following you Right Fucking NOW. That bitch is a fucking Proxy GPS Unit you have No Chance so long as you're staying with her. RUN. For the love of god, RUN.
To everyone else, I've said my piece for now. Open Your God Damned Eyes! This bitch doesn't deserve your help or your sympathy. The farther you stay from her the better. She will ruin your life just as she has with everyone else she's come into contact with.
And to those that still support her after all of that? ....Come at me Bro.
Aw man. You're fucken hilarious you know that?
ReplyDeleteYou're just waving your huge internet dick around for everyone to see and yelling "HEY. HEY LOOK AT WHAT I GOT. IT'S BEDAZZLED AND EVERYTHING."
Holy fuck, kid you crack me up.
Listen, if you want to be taken seriously don't just go around insulting people on the internet. Especially people that can either kill you or save you.
It's generally good rule of engagement/decent fucking social skills.
Aw man. Tuck your bedazzled e-dick away and take a break guy. You're going to make me fucken suffocate from laughter.
By all means, continue to snap at each other like hounds and undermine your attempts to survive. At this point, killing you is going to be like assisted suicide.
ReplyDeleteLet's see. On the one hand we have a girl who did some admittedly pretty terrible things in the name of the greater good. Yeah, she's fucked up, but she has actually tried to do something. And when she did fuck up, she started working to make up for what she did. Someone who, it should be noted, was willing to go hundreds of miles and cross international borders just to give a little girl a happy Christmas.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, we have some selfish little prick who hides in a hole in the ground, committing financial fraud and doing nothing but repeating the same tired old theories as hundred before him while wanking the mighty undead cock of the biggest failure of a man to ever get involved with this whole mess, Robert "Unprovokedly Attacked A Women" Sagel.
I think I know who I'd prefer to have staying at my house for Christmas.
Also, I have no protections other than a decent security system. You see, unlike you, I'm willing to go out on a limb to help people, so I actually don't mind that there's a risk that I'll get harmed, as long as I can do some good in this world. And helping out a grief- and guilt-stricken person just trying to find her way in the world? That counts as good to me.
(Also the Anti-Spiral wanted to protect the universe by squashing growth and independent thought. Not a great comparison there, kid.)
I think this is the biggest display of stupidity I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing. I thought about taking your challenge, but really you're not worth my time because I'm busy trying to protect the people I care about.
ReplyDeleteBut I understand that caring about people isn't something you would ever understand.
All I really have to say here is look at yourself, then look at me. Which one of us is out there trying to help, and which one of us is hiding in a hole in the ground insulting anyone who comes too close?
You're calling me evil, but you should probably take a look in your mirror and realize that all you do is tear people down and tear them apart. Criticize myself and my methods all you want, but in the end I'm out there doing what you are too scared or self absorbed to do.
Somewhat unfortunate. Seems your continual confinement has lead to some sort of psychosis.
ReplyDeleteRegardless, Ms. Logan seems to be a favourite topic of yours. If I may offer something?
You are projecting. Ms. Logan and I have a somewhat... strained relationship, and, though she has done me harm, I feel little to no ill-will against her. As opposed to you, Gargoyle. And though I do appreciate your continual frustrations, it's obvious that you're really simply stating the obvious, twinged with hints of self-loathing and resentment over your current situation.
I do enjoy your musings for the most part, (when you're not pointing out the painfully obvious). Despite your best efforts, laying this out is hardly going to make you stronger, nor cause any sort of reform. It simply makes it clear that you're literate.
I expect better in the future.
David can be very charming. Many people hang out with him.
ReplyDeleteIs Gargoyle not going to like The Mad Ventriloquist anymore because he's getting married to David?
Ugh.. I fall asleep for a few hours and wake up to see this... Maybe I'm not really awake yet but I'm confused as to how she was going to hand you over to anybody as you are in a hole in the ground... unless she thought she could convince you to tell her where you are... Were you considering telling her?
ReplyDeleteI'm admitadly a bit disapointed by this tiraid. I understand you're emotion, and I've admitadly even considered the same conclusions you've reached here, but coming about it like this was not the wisest course of action, for many of the reasons already stated above. Regardless of what the evidence against Elaine says, you sadly lack the respect or authority among the hunted to sway their opinions of her. Don't publicize vendettas when you have nothing to gain from it except more enemies.
ReplyDeleteFor the record, even I would require more evidence than that before calling Elaine a true Proxy, and frankly I'm not sure I really care which side she's on at this point. Oh, and turn on anonomyous comments, I actually want to see what David has to say in all this.
See you around
- FreedomCaged
@Bananaman - I am highly amused by the sudden influx in trolls. You humor is appreciated. Carry on.
ReplyDelete@Rhodes - Now now, like it wasn't easy for you to begin with. The day of the competent runner has been waning fast for a while, best I can tell from my own observations.
@Benjamin - I hung on to the part about hope and despair because it was relevant to the situation at hand. Though for the record, I don't see Elaine doing any evolving either. She just runs around in circles repeating the same mistakes and getting more people killed.
She took a little girl away to have a decent Christmas? Ooooh~ how tender and sweeeet~ A fleeting glimpse of happiness for a child. Doesn't that just make Everything Fucking Better. Why did I ever doubt her? Oh yeeeeah, maybe it had something to do with that other child that was under her protective care? The one that got ripped apart in it's mother's arms? Oh gee, well, nevermind anything like thaaaat because she gave another little girl a Christmas present and now aaaaaall is forgiven! Give me a fucking break. I'm all for taking in the simple pleasures in what time you've got left, but if you think that changes ANYTHING then you're outright retarded.
And am I really echoing Robert that fucking much? Really? Out of all the blogs I've read and the theories I pull from across the board, you want to pin that all on Sagel admiration just because I've mentioned his name a few times? Have I not mentioned M enough? Would you like me to name drop a little more perhaps? There's quite the pool to pull from. I'd have name dropped Elaine a few times after reading Page Theory but by the time I got around to writing anything I'd have linked it to, I had reached the stage of not wanting to say a damn thing about her, so I disregarded the ties. In any event, repeats or not, somebody has to be at least TRYING to figure this thing out, my sincerest apologies if I'm repeating yesterday's news to you, but I just got here!
@Elaine - My dear, you were plotting to have a group of proxies dropped in my lap because you didn't like me on account of the fact that I made some offhand remarks about your boyfriends that you didn't appreciate. You can sit there with your crazy friends and act as fucking noble and heroic as you want, but you're not fooling me. I may be a shithead and perhaps even a coward, but I'm far from selfish and I'll always be a hundred times better and more honest than you. I'm not the one masquerading as a savior while sending everyone I don't like to the slaughter. I don't care how "popular" you are. You're trash. And you will get everything that you deserve.
ReplyDelete@"Joseph" - Pardon me then, if that's the fact. I realize it should be obvious. As clear as day really. ...but far too many people seem to be ignoring that fact. And that is highly frustrating.
But yes, my position is probably effecting my psychosis. I seem to have done this before come to think of it. Damn. Well... at least I'm not getting sick this time.
@TMV - Hmm... no. It takes more than association with a person to make me think negatively of them. If I'm going to think less of you for some reason, it would have to be because of something you did, not an acquaintance of yours.
ReplyDeleteI don't dislike David for his association with Elaine for instance, nor do I dislike Elaine for her association with David. I have completely separate reasons for each of them. But since my beefs with David are less personal, I see no need to ramble about them.
@Wolf - I wasn't considering telling her, no. But given the nature of the dialogue Shaun reported, it sounded like she thought she'd be able to get it from me. And given I was ill at the time, had events not transpired as they did, then in my state of recovery it is entirely possible she could have convinced me to reveal some things. As I said earlier, I liked Elaine and honestly wanted to get back on her good side. It's plausible I might have agreed to share information as a show of good faith or some such... Who knows? It's impossible to really say now, given how things wound up playing out. But I suppose I owe Shaun a huge thank you about now... I'll have to remember to do that.
@F&C - Not my brightest move, no. But I'm tired of bottling up my annoyances with her and had a sudden burst of emotion after getting David's news. I'd rather get it out in the open, off my chest, and be done with it so that I can move on more calmly into whatever comes next.
Cause see, right now? Totally fine. Raw emotion spew out of my system and I'm actually really relaxed right now. Kind of laughing at it even.
Oh, and... fiiine, I'll accommodate the lazy git. But in the unlikely but plausible event it draws more trolls, I'm totally blaming you. Xp
So much for making friends amongst Runners. You certainly love to blacklist yourself, my friend. Even Freedomcaged is "disappointed". How scalding of him, hm?
ReplyDeleteBut for all that you do... I am oddly grateful. After all, honesty is such a rare treat to encounter these days. You speak your mind. Rather than hiding behind good manners amongst your limited school of Runners. Ignoring any backlash. Stupid. Quite so. But I can respect stupid when it's so utterly amusing.
You know what you and Elaine have in common, my friend? You are both pointless to troll. You destroy yourselves. All one has to do is sit back and enjoy the show.
I look forward to each and every update. I just hope you realize what you're doing.
Okay, hold on. Everybody needs to calm the hell down.
ReplyDeleteYes, Elaine did some very bad things. Yes, she owned up to them and is trying her best to make up for them, with varying degrees of success in my opinion. I've always liked Elaine. I still like Elaine. Any friend of Nick's is a friend of mine. She has shown herself to be capable of some truly amazing intelligence, resilience, and compassion, and she deserves every ounce of respect she gets.
But do I trust her? Of course not. I would not leave her alone with children in my care, nor would I give her reliable information on my plans or whereabouts unless absolutely necessary. However, this is not a sleight against Elaine in particular; there are actually very few people I would trust with children or information. I can count them on one hand, and they may not include the people you think. For example, I trust Michelle with my life, but not with anyone else's life, be they children or otherwise. She knows this is how I feel and has accepted it, because she knows I'm right.
People, this is serious stuff we're entrenched in, and Gargoyle is right about one thing: if you want to survive, you need to play it smart. I'm certain Elaine has legitimately earned her trust back with a number of people. Nick, for example. And Elliot, and Spencer. And possibly Benjamin, though I have my doubts on that one. But beyond those who have met her personally and know her that well, I'm surprised and a bit perturbed at the rest of you who are defending her so vehemently . I ask you now to put your emotions aside and show a bit common sense.
Gargoyle should have worded his opinion a bit more politely, but it is his opinion, and his opinion is legitimate and justified. Everyone else, including myself, also have legitimate opinions. Who the rest decide to trust is entirely up to them.
Mr. Gargoyle, please do attempt to calm yourself.
ReplyDeleteI understand where, exactly, you're coming from. Trust me when I say this. And I agree when you say that Elaine is not to be trusted. However, please, do attempt to cool your head for a moment.
Next time, Mr. Gargoyle, you will want to keep your emotions in check. Not simply because it will lose you respect from others (since a loner such as yourself may not care much for respect in the first place), but when you get riled up, you lose the ability to think first and foremost, and I am sure you'll agree that the ability to think is the most valuable one you have in your situation.
I am, and as long as is reasonably sensible, will be on your side. However, this does nobody any good. Please. Exercise some emotional restraint in the future for your own sake.
-Hyde
Heh, yes, well disapointed is about the amount of emotion I can allow myself to invest in this communitty right now, too much more and Cage starts getting more agressive and my spacing gets all out of wack, it's very annoying. I might as well make the point that I'm not siding with all the anti-Gargoyle posters, I just thiught that making such an emotional post was a bad move, but it's over now, nothing left but to sit back and observe the fallout. I always love your comments on this blog, NightScream, they're somehow always both freindly and creul, it's makes you seem very clever and collected.
ReplyDeleteEh, what does it matter if Anon comments bring in more trolls, you're already getting trolled, what's a few more. I've always belived that trolls can be quite amusing if handled properly, I was disapointed when A stopped after only a few attempts at trolling me. And look at this, not everyone is against you after all, though the general theme remains the same: keep your emotions in check in the future, it will serve you better.
See you around
- Cage
Thank you very much for allowing anonymous comments. I was feeling a bit left out.
ReplyDeleteTo clear things up, Elaine is not a proxy. Nor do I think she ever will be. There was a chance where she might have been, but given what happened at Hope and the reactions to the event, I doubt it will happen.
Second of all, my relationship with her is simple. I like her. She reminds me of my children and I treat her as such.
Which is why I feel like I should make something perfectly clear. Anyone who means to harm Elaine can count me as an enemy. And it will take you months to die.
thank you very much.
Aren't you notorious for being too lazy to torture someone for that long..?
DeleteGargs. You stirred up a shit storm. Because I am on the opposite side of you, I will be keeping my opinions to myself regarding the bitch who got my friend killed. I CAN however say this: Good Luck Gargy. You are most certainly not wrong.
ReplyDeleteMan you people are all fuck up.
ReplyDelete@Gargoyle: Hey no problemo bro.
ReplyDeleteJust getting in my daily requirement for dick jokes.
Mr. Gargoyle, I'm afraid I will not entertain conversation with anyone who uses the word "retarded" as an insult. I have nothing more to say to you.
ReplyDeleteSince Ryuu mentioned me, I'll respond to her. I freely admit that I don't necessarily trust Elaine, but I'm going to be dead within the year anyway, so I'm willing to take risks to potentially do some good in the world and maybe giving Elaine some direction is a good thing to do. Honestly, he makes some very valid points about Elaine but at least Elaine tries to do real, tangible good, whereas Mr. Gargoyle simply retreads the same old ground as hundreds before, making no progress and supporting himself on financial crime. You can question the morality of Hope but at least Elaine opened its doors to all who needed help. When was the last time Mr. Gargoyle opened his doors to anyone?
@Nightscream - If I'm going to make friends with some runners, then I'm going to make friends with the ones that aren't blindly supporting the crazy bitch. I think I can manage that much. Still more to work on though... -.-;;
ReplyDeleteBut hey, now I can say that me, you, and Morningstar share a similar interest and goal! We should all totally get together one day, have a few drinks, and then go stab the bitch. It'll be a great bonding experiment.
@Hakurei - Best response I've heard yet. Thank you for that.
And... my point stands but... I do suppose I apologize to everyone for the outburst. Kind of spur of the moment and emotionally driven. I should have learned better by now... I'll try harder to maintain myself next time. Sleep it off first maybe... that seems to help.
@Hyde - Totally calm dude. Totally calm.
...er, Now, anyways. <.<; Ahem. It's kind of an odd thing though. I felt like I was thinking perfectly clearly at the time. So I guess reacting on emotion clouds your judgment more than I realized. Again... perhaps I'll sleep on it next time.
@Cage - Admittedly, I like the trolls more than I should. I'm waiting for Easton to post again... I've decided he's fun.
ReplyDeleteBut again, yeah, will try not to disappoint again. I seem to keep setting myself back that way. I suppose this was a good reminder that more people are actually paying attention to me than I realized.
@David - Not a problem. To be honest, I didn't know it wasn't enabled.
Also, for the record, I'm not going to go hunting down Elaine if I ever get out of here(contradicting my humorous jab above with NS). Not my style and not worth my time. Were we to coincidentally wind up in the same place? Oh yeah. I'll take a swing at her. Maybe a couple. But I'm no murderer. I'd like to see her dead, but I'd take no pleasure in the fact.
Just keep her the fuck away from me and we'll all be golden. How's that sound? After all, from here all I can do is bark.
@Gleeman - I'm surprisingly good at that.
and Thanks.
@MCPL - ....Yes.
ReplyDelete@Bananaman - You are doing a stellar job of it. I'd have laughed more, but a shitstorm flew in behind you.
@Mr. Benjamin - Firstly, cry me a fucking river, you-- aaand I'm doing it again. Hold on.
Okay, ignoring everything else on account of me using a word you don't like is reeeeeeally annoying to me like you would not believe. It's a word. An elevated level of the term I was applying to the subject to express a greater extreme of value. I use a lot of fun words you probably wouldn't like as insults in casual conversation. If that's the biggest problem you're going to have with me, then we're doing just dandy.
Oh, but if anyone would like to come out to the middle of nowhere in the fucking woods and share a tiny room built for one with me, then I suppose you're more than fucking welcome to join me. I just thought maybe that would sound kind of stupid. Does it not sound stupid to you? But if it makes you feel better for me to be generously offering sanctuary in my one room, one bed, no bath, poorly defended, hellhole, then byyy aaaaaall meeeeeans~
@Benjamin: If you're going to judge a person's worth, or the worth of what they have to say, based on what they accomplish rather than their intentions... well, we're back to square one. From a purely mathematical standpoint, Elaine has done good things and bad things, which amounts to neutral, and Gargoyle has done nothing but speculate so far, which also amounts to neutral. So there you go.
ReplyDeleteNeither can you judge someone by their resources and whether said resources are offered. Judging by the description of Gargoyle's little hole in the ground, I doubt there's enough room for a second person anyway. Never mind the compromise to his safety that that entails, but since Elaine had "protection", that's neither here nor there.
Just... logic, you guys. Respect for differing opinions and simple, Cartesian logic is all I ask for in debates like this.
@Freedomcaged, why, thank you. You're far too kind.
ReplyDelete@Gargoyle, then I think that limits you to us or the Hope Bearer there. Elaine and her Harem have a strong influence in here, I'm afraid. Can't understand why, myself, but she does. However, she'll continue to destroy herself and others, so there really is no need to bury oneself in that particular bed of quicksand. Hence why I've given up trolling the little gaggle of Runners. No point.
That being said, I would absolutely love to have a few drinks with you. I'm certain we'd have so much we could discuss.
@Hope Bearer, does this mean you're going to stop deleting comments on your blog from me which don't suit your tastes? Don't be a hypocrite, sweetheart.
Gargoyle, Can I just
ReplyDeleteask you to maybe stop
calling her nasty things?
She is a nice
person deep down.
Also I would rather
have her as a friend
than you who chooses
to just judge.
Ryuu, I am truly fascinated to hear the system by which you measure the goodness and badness values of Elaine's actions because, of course, you can't mathematically say the good she has accomplished is the same as the bad she has accomplished (and therefore neutral) unless you have the figures to back that up.
ReplyDeleteAs well as that, if you want to talk logic here, which do you think is most likely to keep Elaine on our side, at least trying to do good; talking to her, offering her guidance, attempting to get her on the right track, or declaring war on her every action, promising to tear down every little thing she tries to do? As a women of alleged logic, I think you're smart enough to see that, despite the fact that Mr. Gargoyle raised some very valid points, if nothing else, his method was flawed. In fact, I could go so far as to say that he is a bigger risk to us than Elaine, since he sees someone potentially extremely dangerous to our community and comes up with the amazing plan of trying to turn the community against her and thereby turn her against the community.
Furthermore, I am not judging someone based on their resources and whether said resources or offered, I am judging them based on the principle of whether they actually try to help other people. It's not about whether or not Gargoyle's offer is a valuable one or whether or not is taken up, it's about whether or not it is made.
Finally, I am taking intentions into consideration. Both Gargoyle and Elaine intend to do good. Gargoyle does nothing, Elaine does things. You argue that I don't take intentions into consideration but I have stressed that I believe Elaine at least tries to do good, which means I obviously do take intentions into consideration. Before you lecture other people, please do try to read what they are saying.
@Ember - And that... legitimately kind of hurts. It really does.
ReplyDeleteBut no. You can ask. But I'm afraid I can't comply. Not to that request. I can't spare kind words to someone who plays the hero while simultaneously working to have other people killed. Especially when those other people are ME. I kind of have to take issue with something like that.
@Benjamin - I like how we're continuing to talk about me while not actually talking to me. It's cute. Really. It is. Doesn't make you seem like a douchebag at all.
But I'll concede a point or two in your favor. Elaine turning her life around and really becoming the success story you want her to be? Yeah, that'd be great. Fucking fantastic. I'd eat every word I ever said about her. Hand her my god damned address and a free shot at kicking me in the balls. So you just keep encouraging her and maybe it'll all work out. But I just don't buy it. I give her a 15% chance at best and even then I feel I'm being too generous. And I'll hold to that opinion until she proves me wrong.
And secondly, I'm sorry if the best I can offer to the community right now is speculative advice and tired old research. I liked to at least think I was helping people out by trying to keep them informed. But I guess that isn't good enough for you. But I'll offer you this much, as soon as I gain any sort of capacity to offer legitimate aid to someone, then I'll be quick to do so. And I'm sorry that I don't have a big lofty mansion with a high tech security system that I can lounge back and pay all my bills legitimately from. Because lord knows that I'm just going around enacting credit fraud because that's the FUN thing to do.
If I had any means of access to legitimate funding from down here, then I'd be using it. If I had any means of protecting people down here, I'd be offering it. But I don't! I'm not going to sit here and offer something I can't provide! I don't offer people false hopes. So I'm going to sit here in my miserable little hole and keep spouting speculative nonsense until I have the chance to do something more worthwhile. Meanwhile, you can keep patting the traitor on the back and waiting to die. Good luck with that. Can't wait to see how it all goes.
I am sorry,
ReplyDeletethe words
were not meant
to hurt you.
But I know she
honestly cares
about people.
She tries to help.
You. You just
comment on it.
And do not even
dare bring up
what happened
to me again.
That legitimately
hurt, Gargoyle.
Do you ever tire of typing in a column?
DeleteI am not mocking you.
I'm actually being sincere.
To me, this is harder to read.
But maybe it's actually a little easier.
Then again, I'm cheating.
Alot of cheating at this..
Sorry the stone statue buried
beneath the earth hurt your feelings.
Maybe come sundown some night
he'll come to life, and fly away.
@Aloneamongthewreck, hello, you. I remember you from back when I was having a breakdown. Such a SUPPORTER you were then. Great to see you're still doing what you do best. Igit.
ReplyDeleteI was going to leave it alone... but I really just can't resist. You think Gargoyle is a risk to the community? That he is going to tear everyone apart? That's hilarious. It really is. After all, if we were going to point fingers at who does the most troll work... I'd come out with a different name entirely. A few of them, actually. Every one of them being people who run around with the "if you don't agree with us, you're the devil" mentality. At least Gargoyle allows for different opinions. Unlike so many. He may hate Elayne but, guess what? Death threats on your head tend to do that. I know it worked between me and Twinkle. Let's just hope they don't wind up on a roof anywhere together, okie dokie?
Look... these blogs are supposed to help keep us sane, and yet what do I see more than anything? Keys left unpressed for Good Manners sake. But I guess that's what happens when you live in the age of Conformism, hm? Personally... I just call it Pathetic. But what do I know? My word counts for zip, right? And I know it. So, no worries there.
Still... you should at least take into account that Gargoyle is locked in a hole for the love of shit. Mentally... he should have been flipping out on us a while ago. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see a rant or two than him suddenly start going on about how he's drawn a face on his pillow so he can have a friend. Count your blessings already and shut the hell up.
@Gargoyle, sorry for this being the first thing I leave on your blog. Not exactly what it should be but... hell, least you have the nerve to state your mind. Hope you don't lose that. Good luck to you... and Happy New Year, for what it is worth.
@Benjamin: Did I say anything at all about tearing anyone down? Perhaps you misunderstood my intention in intervening here - I have nothing against Elaine, and I think Gargoyle should have kept his insults to himself. Not his opinions, mind, because every opinion deserves to be heard. But heard in a neutral, logical manner. My argument was not whether Gargoyle was right in insulting Elaine, it was whether everyone else is right in insulting Gargoyle.
ReplyDeleteAs for trying to help others, I sort of think that speculating, even if it doesn't accomplish anything, is helping in a way - the only way available to Gargoyle at this point, really. Though I've only recently caught up with his blog, some of the information and conjecture therein have already given me some ideas for "action". Secondhand help, but help offered and received nonetheless.
@Gargoyle: Apologies for talking about you rather than to you, but that sort of thing tends to happen when comment threads get long enough. ^^U
Ryuu, I'll admit I may have misunderstood your first comment but I can't even understand a woman of supposed reason and logic ignoring the part of my own comment where I pointed out the flaws in her own. And I retract my statement about Gargoyle not being helpful.
ReplyDeleteMitch, I think you must be mistaken, I've only been here since a couple of weeks before Christmas. You're probably thinking of the previous owner of this account, who passed away.
As to what you said, you seem to be misreading my comments. I'm not saying that Gargoyle is a threat to the community, I'm saying he's more of a threat than Elaine. I don't really think either of them are a threat, but if you had to assess who is moreso, between the girl who accidentally causes harm to other people and the guy who wants to push her towards the other side where she could start deliberately causing harm, I'm inclined towards the latter. Also, you're reading a lot of things that other people think into what I'm saying. Perhaps you need to go attack those people instead of me.
I did not ignore what you said about the flaws in my argument, I simply stopped arguing for said flaws because I realized you were right. However, not explicitly admitting being mistaken, even in part, is a bad habit of mine. My apologies.
ReplyDelete@Ember - We're one for one then, huh? My apologies then. I wasn't meaning to upset you either.
ReplyDelete@Mitch - Not problem, is good to hear from you. Happy New Years as well.
@Hakurei - Also not a problem XD I know how it goes. Was more upset with the other guy anyways. But I think I'm over that now. He got his point across and I acknowledge it, whether he chooses to acknowledge me or not. I appreciate the defense though, even though I realize I also made some mistakes there too. I'll be working on that in the future...
I agree and disagree with so much here, I would be trolling to even try to express it now. -.-
ReplyDeleteI'm paying attention now, and hopefully when I'm less blackout tired I will be as well.
Don't stop being honest. Please.
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